Curse

Crix Lionheart · Jul 08, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Gaele

Touchy touchy. The UK GMT is 0, and mine being -5. Now looking at my playing patterns, I'm awake until 7 to 8 in the morning, add 5 to those hours, and I go to bed at about 3pm for them. By my standards, those would be the hours kids would have already woken up and been ready or have been playing already for hours.

Was it on a weekday though? They may have all been in school. Europeans don't get summer break as early as we do, or as long.

Drakron · Jul 08, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Wrong, we on then.

And I know because a few days ago I seen my first penis map drawings, also the decay of "quality" is noticible but things are more organized ...when I made a new character I seen a guild taking members on pre-searing.

Gaele · Jul 08, 2005, 03:17 AM // 03:17

10:12pm GMT -5 | 3:12am in London
Less Legolases and more original names - CONFIRMED

11:15pm GMT -5 | 4:15am in London
An hour spent in Droknars speaking with the players.
All around nicer at this time - CONFIRMED

Crix Lionheart · Jul 08, 2005, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Yea but three or four A.M. in the morning? I'm pretty sure that if there are any immature children on the European servers, they won't be online at that time. Their bedtime probably occurred hours ago.

If you want an environment where there are original names you have never seen and none of the people are rude, go to the Korean servers. It's not rude if you can't understand it.

Chowley · Jul 08, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

I spent about a week on the american server and moved back to the european, much nicer server to play on to say the least.

hydrak · Jul 08, 2005, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by Crix Lionheart

If you want an environment where there are original names you have never seen and none of the people are rude, go to the Korean servers. It's not rude if you can't understand it.

Good point! It's not rude if you can't understand their language.

English is not the only language on european server. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of european players are from Germany, Poland, Spain, and maybe Denmark. The ones that can speak English as well as their primary language are most likely mature players.

Mitsu Bishi · Jul 08, 2005, 07:44 AM // 07:44

As European I can say it really depends on the time you log on to our servers. I was on vacation last week so I got to play in the afternoon and it was (is) horrible. Female avatars (I bet 99% of them are 13-year-old males) dancing naked (as far as that's possible in GW

) typing about how they want to f... etc. Other players offering to strip for money, a lot of scammers (selling white mantle emblems as means to be able to change the appearance of your cape) and overall immature behaviour.

I'm from Austria, thus German speaking (although I like English more and I think I'm not too bad at it

) and I'm playing in the German districts. The problem with those is - there is no language filter for German. We can use ALL slurs we can imagine, they'll never get filtered. Lots of players use very immature names (as I said, no name filters, so sl*t is possible in it's German translation etc.) and of course all those kiddies don't have any skill. Most of them are W/Mo and think they can survive on their own rushing towards any mob as soon as they see the red dot. Tactics? I think they never heard about it

Still I wouldn't want to change to the English districts, simply because I like to have guildmates and players to speak my mother tongue. It's far more convenient on TS or in the chat. As I'm working most of the time, I'm online from 6pm onwards and it gets definitely better then. Best time is late at night where most of the players are 18 and over and I've found most of the people on my friendslist at that time. The skill also increases the later you play

I had two wonderful groups not long ago on Thirsty and Elona (both done on the first try without any casualties, everyone listening and responding to "orders", everyone waiting for energy refill etc.) so people know about tactics if you choose the right ones.

To conclude my long rant - I don't think European servers are better in general. But they may be better for American adults who want to play with a more mature audience simply because of the time difference. So when you log on after work at 6pm ET, that's midnight over here and way beyond the playing time of our youth. That's why you get to play with the mature players who understand tactics and teamplay better and are .. well more mature.

PS: Concerning the poster who was surprised about guilds taking members pre-searing - is that so uncommon on the US servers? Quite honestly, I love to search for future members pre-searing. Anybody who is willing to talk to you there, who joins up with you for a tryout quest, seems to be more commited to playing in a team. When everybody soloes the tutorial, how should they know about teamwork? I found out it is far better to help somebody from the beginning - because he will A) be very thankful and thus is more likely to stay with you and B) because you can "shape" him much more towards your guild tactics and playing style. Two of our core players were bloody n00bs when I first met them and now they love the guild and playing together with us. On how to recruit - sometimes I make ONE call in the local chat (not ten in a row like others, I'd never join such a guild if I was searching for one, so I refrain from doing that - I sincerely hope my call is good enough to win over anybody really interested in it) and sometimes I just whisper to people without guilds but with interesting and unique names that sound like the player has some brain and maturity. I'll also never just invite somebody, a practice I have often seen and I would also never accept if I was still searching for a guild.

Edge Martinez · Jul 08, 2005, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by Night Daftshadow

You know why these Europeans are more friendly than Americans

they have a healthier diet. ... America is all about fast food hamburgers, pizza, hot dog, and etc. Then down it with beer or soda.

What the heck? A Whopper has meat, cheese, vegetables and grain. The average beer is a source of protein with hops and barley, plus depending on the make, they use pure filtered water. It don't get much more balanced than that.

Heh, but to keep this on track, if I play 12AM-4AM EST, that would make the time in England... what? 5AM-9AM, right? Can I really expect a fair number of people over there at that time? In the North American districts, it's packed.

smitty-gw · Jul 08, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Devts-Waver

I am an American, however I believe you when you say the Europe servers are better. Why? Becuase America has negleted the next generation, which is why we have brats like we do. Now, I'm sure Europe has it's problems too, but on this specific one, they aren't as bad. Even though it is a shame, that's what I believe to be true.

Nice, a 14 year old who knows specifically that the degree of generation neglect in Europe is less than America.

Have you been to Europe lately?

smitty-gw · Jul 08, 2005, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

That free speech thing is a kicker ain't it?

I also hear lots of reasons to be proud of america but for each one of those I here I hear 2 reasons to be ashamed of america.

Yes, thank God you have the right to bash your own country in which you live as a "student" and prosper.

I also have the same right to express my disdain for you and your glib criticisms of the country in which I also live and prosper in.

none · Jul 08, 2005, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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the degree of generation neglect in Europe is less than America.

Actually, the degree of generation neglect in Europe is almost zero, because we leave the current generation wholly to the caring hands of American Culture

I can't see much of an European effort in either developing or publishing Guild Wars, after all

Zoe the Zeer · Jul 08, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by none

Eh, European players might be nicer, but hell, they (or should I say we?) are so much worse (skillwise) that it sometimes really hurts. I played several days on the American Realm, and I've seen many tactics and playing concepts there that ppl in Europe don't even dream of. Right now, about 2 weeks later, some of those tacticts start to appear in Europe as well, but I don't even want to think about how the game evolved in America in the meantime.

Unfortunately, I sometimes get awful lag while playing in America, so it's not practical if you want to be competitive in every aspect of the game.

That is odd, every time we see American Groups in the Tomb they die quite fast and in the end it's mostly Euro vs Korean who are left. But that might also be because of the Timezones, remember when you are on there aren't many Euros on anymore, because it's night time for us.

In general I think they are indeed a lot more mature players in Europe, but that is because parents in Europe are kinda sceptical of the internet and online games, not to mention that these games are very expensive here, so less kids are able to play these games.

Oh well, welcome to the Euro Datacenter and I hope you get enough people to play with in those graveyard shift times.

john little · Jul 08, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by none

Actually, the degree of generation neglect in Europe is almost zero, because we leave the current generation wholly to the caring hands of American Culture

I can't see much of an European effort in either developing or publishing Guild Wars, after all

Europe doesn't tend to produce many MMORPG's because there has never really been a history of tabletop gaming compared to America, or the public acceptance of MMORPG's like Korea. When Europeans do make MMORPG's they tend to be quite specialised (see Eve Online f.ex) as they don't have a lot of the baggage of having to beat UO, WoW etc.

Its also the case that instead of having to recreate Tolkien landscapes on a PC, we can just go visit Wales....or if we want to mess around inside a castle, we can go visit one...

none · Jul 08, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Zoe the Zeer

That is odd, every time we see American Groups in the Tomb they die quite fast and in the end it's mostly Euro vs Korean who are left. But that might also be because of the Timezones, remember when you are on there aren't many Euros on anymore, because it's night time for us.

In general I think they are indeed a lot more mature players in Europe, but that is because parents in Europe are kinda sceptical of the internet and online games, not to mention that these games are very expensive here, so less kids are able to play these games.

Oh well, welcome to the Euro Datacenter and I hope you get enough people to play with in those graveyard shift times.

Eh, I don't think of my playtimes as graveyard shift times. As a matter of fact, I am European. (At least last time I checked, you never know with the constant bitching about the European Union where we end up one day). I just switched to the American Realm for a few days. And it is true, that American teams, are generally much less of a challenge in Tombs, whereas Korean teams can be a real pain in the ass. But as you already said, one of the reasons for that is the different time zones everyone is playing in (although American Districts are usually more crowded than European Districts, even if it's currently European peak time).

Anyway, what I really wanted to point out is that I don't think of the game as being expensive here in Europe. At least if you're talking about Western Europe, where, no matter what politicians & industry bosses want to make you believe, there is still alot more money available to the average family than almost everywhere else on the world.

none · Jul 08, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by john little

Its also the case that instead of having to recreate Tolkien landscapes on a PC, we can just go visit Wales....or if we want to mess around inside a castle, we can go visit one...

Good point

Just look at all the Americans running around at every time of the year in Neuschwanstein, when everyone here just thinks 'oh no, not another castle, I've already seen half a dozen of them this year'. I'm always a bit suspicious and wait for one of them to remark that whoever built that castle obviously stole the idea from Disney

Actually, I prefer ruins much more, but the perfect place to visit those are the British Isles, and I don't get to visit those all too often.

hydrak · Jul 08, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by smitty-gw

Yes, thank God you have the right to bash your own country in which you live as a "student" and prosper.

I also have the same right to express my disdain for you and your glib criticisms of the country in which I also live and prosper in.

Exactly... But you gotta to ignore the few Americans who always think that the grass is greener on the other side. To those few americans, all I can say is that it is amusing to you calling yourself "mature" and starting threads like these without thinking.

smitty-gw · Jul 08, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by hydrak

Exactly... But you gotta to ignore the few Americans who always think that the grass is greener on the other side. To those few americans, all I can say is that it is amusing to you calling yourself "mature" and starting threads like these without thinking.

Who are you referring to? I am confused.

hydrak · Jul 08, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by smitty-gw

Who are you referring to? I am confused.

The person who started this thread. He or she made generalizations without thinking.

catharsis · Jul 08, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Hm. Or you could, y'know, READ the original post. All it says is: "I went on the Euro servers. They seem to be a better gameplay experience than the American servers." That's not a generalization, it's an anecdote based on personal experience. It's only afterward that we started seeing facile generalizations about how Americans can't raise their children or what have you. Frankly, I'm intrigued, and I'm gonna shift to the Euro servers to see if I have the same experience. If I do, great. If not, so be it.

edit: Well, other than that bit about Europeans being less primal, or whatever. That's kinda silly.

hydrak · Jul 08, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Well... you've just edited your post after reading this.

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Originally Posted by Gaele

I changed over to Europe to play with some friends over in the UK and the difference is astonishing. There seem to be less annoying LFG spammers, a remarkable drop in district arguments, less beef flying around, and all in all everyone is nicer and more helpful. A few theories on why this is so: Europeans are naturally brought up less primal than *cough* a few other areas; how they barely ever have Favor turns the game less competitive for them, in effect the players are not as wired all the time, but Korea almost always has Favor, yet they're also very polite and civilized.